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Brice Silverman is intolerable. “Agree with my liberal logic or I’ll personally attack you. Derpa Derp.”
Hey Mike, my name is Bruce, not Brice. I, sir, am not intolerable. I am tolerable of everyone regardless of their beliefs. If i was intolerable, I would have deleted your comment instead of posting it. The intolerance with this particular story rests with Chick-Fil-A and its owner.
As for the personal attacks, you are the only one that made a personal attack.
I believe it is time for an ethnic cleansing in America. We should shout down all of the Christians. We can borrow a page from the German’s book and enact the Aryan Declaration and use radio programs and the NCAA to make it impossible for Christian who stand for their beliefs to do business. Or, we can respect free speech and peoples religious liberties. Maybe, just maybe, the founding fathers of this country had a reason for making that our FIRST Amendment right. If your so tolerant, why would you bash Jerry Sandusky? He was in love with little boys….. Silverman, you are very intolerant of pedophiles! How dare you!!!!! You are on the wrong side of this argument, my friend. If you don’t like what Chick Fil A, don’t eat there, don’t attend the Kick Off Classic (GO Vols), Don’t watch it on TV, don’t even support any of the TV sponsors. I think there were a few liberal groups that tried to pull sponsorships from the Masters. Do you watch the Masters? How did thatwork out for those that tried to shout those people down?
Yes I am intolerant of pedophiles. I have a zero tolerance policy for that behavior.
If you read the column and listened to my radio show, you know that I said that Dan Cathy has every right to say what he and his company believes.
I am also tolerant of all religions and an individual’s own religious beliefs.
Since you point out the constitution and the very important first amendment, I also point out to you that the constitution also provides equal rights to all. Which would include gay rights and gay marriage.
You don’t have to agree with gay marriage or gay rights, but your religious beliefs should not infringe on the pursuit of happiness of others. The constitution also provides for the separation of church and state.
Chick-Fil-A is a company that brought scrutiny upon itself. Their words and their money seeks to infringe of the rights and lives of millions of people.
It’s about time someone had to balls to say what needs to be said. This is not a christian nation. This is a secular nation. It is time to remove all religion from public events. No one religion is superior to any other, so let’s get rid of them all. You want to pray at home? Fine. Keep it to yourself. Dan Cathy wants to support anti-LGBT initiatives? Fine. Do it in private–don’t drag your hatred in a public forum. Thanks, Bruce, for saying what needs to be said.
Max, thank you for the kind words and for saying what needed to be said so clearly. There is a lot of education still needed on this and many other issues. I will continue to raise awareness and hopefully there will come a time when gay rights and gay marriage is something that is as accepted as interracial marriage. Interracial marriage was illegal in 1967, only 45 years ago. I also look forward to a day when businesses like Chick-Fil-A are no longer involved in athletics forcing people who don’t believe what they believe to be walking billboards for the hate they sell. I hope you continue to read my columns and tune in every Monday night to my radio show! Bruce
Bruce, to be intolerant of hate is not such a bad thing. To require that sports – Oh, God, forgive me – be a place of intolerance is not a bad thing at all, but a very good thing. AND to require that a sports team in a bowl or arena paid for by the public, a process that has yet to prove profitable for the city and population paying the bill – be open to any without hate shown for any, is an excellent thing! Congratulations for speaking the truth to those who are unwilling to be fair.
Arnold, thank you for your thoughtful words. I work hard to write my columns to be thought provoking and to stand up for those that don’t always have a voice. I do have a zero tolerance policy for zero tolerance. Hate is not something that can be swept under the rug as someone else’s problem. The end of a very poignant story comes to mind. And when they came for me, there was no one to protect me. If my words can protect others, I welcome the responsibility! Keep reading, keep listening! Bruce
Bruce, first, the “bowl once proudly known as the Peach Bowl” was doing awful to the point that they didn’t know if it would continue which is why the Chamber of Commerce took it over, and then ultimately Chick Fil A. Since then, they have sold out for 14 straight years. Since 2002, the Chick-fil-A Bowl has disbursed over $12 Million in charitable donations and scholarships and have topped at least $1 Million in gifts to the community in five straight years now, the most for bowls. As to the statements afterwards, they do not donate millions to hate groups. At most it’s $2,000. The others, while don’t support it as it is against their beliefs, also don’t fight it. They are there to help and support marriages and families. He didn’t want his stance known as you put it. The also give millions to the WinShape Camp, WinShape retreat, WinShape Homes, and WinShape marriage.He was asked his opinion and gave it. He didn’t just come out and announce it. He doesn’t discriminate nor does he or his company show hatred, going as far as giving free food and drinks to the protestors against the restaurant. It’s not the colleges themselves that are working to keeping them out. It’s the students that are protesting that. Which is in their right, just as it is Dan Cathy’s to say that and you to disagree with what he said. If you want more to be done however, you should talk to your Congressman and Senators to make it legal in all states and to get people to not watch or go to the game, as that is what networks care about, money and publicity. As to your separation of church and state comment, it’s to keep the government from interfering with religions and allowing everyone to have freedom of religion.
Josh, thanks for taking the time to visit my site, read the column and comment. Understand Chick-Fil-A is the title sponsor of the bowl. The chamber puts it on. Chick-Fil-A and Dan Cathy donate millions to organizations designed to reduce and eliminate gay rights throughout the country and the world. Some of those organizations are involved in murdering gays around the world. Does Chick-Fil-A do good things as you suggest. Yes. But handing out free food and killing people are polar opposites. WinShape is Dan Cathy’s own charity.
How would you like to be a gay player playing in the bowl and have to wear a Chick-Fil-A logo promoting a company that seeks to eliminate your rights as a person.
You support CFA and that is fine. You probably don’t believe in gay marriage which is fine. I have said many times I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance. CFA and Dan Cathy promote a view that fosters hate. They know they do and they are ok with it. I am not.
Chick-Fil-A has no business being in the college football business.
It’s $2,000 tops that actually fight against gay marriage between 2 organizations, $1,000 each according to the 2010 tax returns. As the stuff in Uganda has happened this year, don’t agree with it, let’s wait and see what Cathy does with that before condemning him for it. I’m sure he didn’t donate even that little money to them for them to do that. And the other, the FRC, are also supportive of families as the main topic, a common denominator of all the organizations they give to.
Chick Fil A is actually called a corporate partner not corporate sponsor as put by the Vice President of Communications Gary Stokan as they are a ingrained in the day to day affairs.
As opposed to living in the state that does that? And I have yet heard or seen anyway that CFA that discriminates against gays or being hateful to them. They don’t oppose the rights of a gay person. He doesn’t agree with gay marriage which is his right, as you’ve pointed out. Just as disagreeing is theirs and your right.
As it’s fine that you don’t support them. I have yet to see evidence that they promote a view that fosters hate. Just because they disagree with it doesn’t mean hate. He uses his biblical belief about it as with closing on Sundays, just as it says to love the sinner while hating the sin as Jesus showed us as we are all sinners.
Josh…please give me the source you are using to say that CFA and Cathy only donated $2000 and the organizations that received their donations. You make a statement like that on my site you have to back it up.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/405162/col-chick-winshape-990.pdf
Here is the website to their 2010 tax returns. The two organizations I was referring to, Exodus and FRC, are the ones that actively speak out against redefining marriage. The others focus solely on building up and solidifying families.
The run down of their tax returns is:
WinShape Camp – $5,021,618
WinShape Retreat – $4,085,088
WinShape Homes – $3,163,999
WinShape Marriage – $2,171,518
National Christian Foundation – $247,500
Fellowship of Christian Athletes – $480,000 Georgia Family Council – $2,500
Family Research Council – $1,000
Atlanta Fest Foundation – $65,000
New Mexico Christian Foundation – $54,000
Marriage and Family Foundation – $1,188,380
Exodus – $1,000
Lifeshape, Inc. – $895,052
National Institute of Marriage – $37,000
Berry College – $413,419
+ Additional small donations to churches around Atlanta, healthcare services, etc.
Josh, you just made my point for me thank you! Many of the organizations you listed are anti-gay organizations and the donations ad up to more than $2 million not $2000 as you stated previously!
As I said, the $2000 are the only ones that actively speak out against gay marriage. The others, while don’t agree with it as they are Christian organizations, don’t. They focus on helping marriages and families.
In 2010 the company’s foundation distributed nearly $2 million to anti-LGBT groups including the Marriage & Family Foundation, the Family Research Council, and Exodus International and millions more in previous years. WinShape donates as well. As well as money donated to lobbyists to keep humanitarian bills aimed to stop anti-gay violence around the world. Josh, do you work for any of these organizations? Do you work for Chick-Fil-A?
No, I don’t work for either. I just did my research on the groups. I understand the FRC and Exodus as I’ve stated previously, the others just don’t agree with it as it’s against their belief but focus on just helping families. If that makes them anti-LGBT as you put it just because they don’t agree with it, would that make you anti-Christian because you don’t believe in their beliefs?
Also as I’ve said, that was Exodus that did that and lets see if they keep donating to them after the whole Uganda thing. I sincerely doubt that Cathy meant for his money to be spent on helping that.
If an organization or a person does not agree with something like gay marriage, they are against it. If that organization works overtly or covertly to define marriage as a man and a woman or to limit or eliminate the human and civil rights of a group like these some of these organizations do then yes they are anti-gay.
I agree. I never said they weren’t. I said they don’t actively speak out against gay marriage besides the two mentioned before. It’s America, they can believe what they want, just as you do. Doesn’t mean they discriminate against gays. As I said before, in the Christian belief, you’re supposed to love the sinner, hate the sin. I have friends that are gay and we don’t agree on this, but we do so respectfully. Just because I don’t agree with gay marriage, doesn’t mean I think any less of them or respect them less and vice versa. Same with the groups. You can be anti-gay marriage, doesn’t mean they are anti-gay or respect or love them any less.
Josh, there is no sin. You are taking this column way of topic. Chick-Fil-A and Dan Cathy donate millions to strip rights from citizens. That is wrong. To make students billboards for this company that looks to strip rights from citizens is wrong.
One’s religious beliefs should not infringe on the rights of others. Cathy has the right to say what he wishes. He can live how he wishes. You can to. Gay marriage does not hurt straight people or Dan Cathy.
I wasn’t trying to take it off topic. I was trying to explain that you just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean you don’t love or respect the person any less.
I have still yet to see the millions to strip rights from citizens. I know Exodus and FRC. The others, while don’t agree with it, are there to help and support families. As you asked me for proof earlier, show yours.
How has the company look to strip rights from citizens? Do they discriminate, refuse to serve them, refuse to hire them..?
My question too is why isn’t there this much of a fight against the states where it’s illegal still? Cathy is one man. Why not talk to the Senators and Congressman to change the vote where they can actually do something?
Gay marriage is a civil rights issue. Not only the marriage part but the benefits individuals enjoy when they are a married couple. These organizations work to eliminate the ones they have and prevent the ones they don’t have. The company has made their position known. How does a company strip rights? By donating money to organizations designed to deny them the rights and to lobbyists that lobby congress to do the same.
Just curious Josh, how did you come across this column?
Please show proof they do. Just because they don’t agree with it, isn’t proof. What lobbyists do they give money to?
I was looking at at the upcoming games and someone posted this link.